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Im pulling the 351 out of my 76 ltd and have an fuel injected 302 and tranny out of a 89 lincoln towncar, is there anyway to get the fuel injection to work in the ltd
 

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i wouldnt really do it either. i think those motors are the same as a 5.0 mustang, but its just a guess. i would rebuild the 351W with some performance mods and i think youll be happier.
 

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I can understand why you would want the fuel injection but I don't see why you are downgrading from a 5.7 to 5.0.

it will work...you will have to get an electric fuel pump for the FI engine

damn, are gas prices really getting that bad?
 

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Originally posted by Swingin80Lincoln@Aug 8 2005, 01:17 AM~3558423
i wouldnt really do it either. i think those motors are the same as a 5.0 mustang, but its just a guess. i would rebuild the 351W with some performance mods and i think youll be happier.
no, im not saying that he shouldnt be doing this because its a bad idea. he shouldnt be doing this because he has no idea.

Im not a ford guy, but both the 351 and the 302 are good motors with excellent potential for mods.
 

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Originally posted by Foompla@Aug 8 2005, 07:30 AM~3559951
no, im not saying that he shouldnt be doing this because its a bad idea.  he shouldnt be doing this because he has no idea.

Im not a ford guy, but both the 351 and the 302 are good motors with excellent potential for mods.

I agree, if you are asking that question, then its definatly too hard to figure out on your own and therefore should just pay someone who knows how or forget it.

Although its not as bad as the guy asking about the "sideways" engine swap to a northstar :roflmao:
 

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Originally posted by Joe5pt0@Aug 8 2005, 11:01 AM~3560656
I agree, if you are asking that question, then its definatly too hard to figure out on your own and therefore should just pay someone who knows how or forget it.

Although its not as bad as the guy asking about the "sideways" engine swap to a northstar :roflmao:

well, I disagree...


Joe you of all people know what I knew a few months ago...not much. I didn't even know what torque was..

I picked up that book and read it and got on here asking some of the same questions and I finally got my 350 in my shit. I had no help from anyone when I did it...except from you guys...


I think he can do it. but he has to be serious and do his homework. It would help to have someone that is experienced show him what to do but its not required...


Give the guy credit..at least he is trying...I respect that alot more than someone paying someone else to do their own shit...
 

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Inspiration... :biggrin:


for real though get ready to sit inside your car for awhile...
I would also consider trying to get another 351 if you want to get rid of what you have now..
 

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Originally posted by concrete@Aug 8 2005, 01:05 PM~3561015
well, I disagree...
Joe you of all people know what I knew a few months ago...not much. I didn't even know what torque was..

I picked up that book and read it and got on here asking some of the same questions and I finally got my 350 in my shit. I had no help from anyone when I did it...except from you guys...
I think he can do it. but he has to be serious and do his homework. It would help to have someone that is experienced show him what to do but its not required...
Give the guy credit..at least he is trying...I respect that alot more than someone paying someone else to do their own shit...
Dan, I don't want to think I'm being a dick when you read this so take that into consideration before you reply.

You are admitting that you knew about 1-5 on a scale of 1 to 100 before your engine swap. Well, you swapped a carbureted small block chevy for a carbureted small block chevy. Not be a dick, but it’s the easiest engine swap on this planet.

You can hardly say that your knowledge increased to the 50-60 range out of 100 after that swap. I mean, you posted a question "explain timing" because you didn't understand 18436572 and how the distributor/rotor works and I'm not convinced you've mastered that in entirety. You probably know a lot more now, but you are still quite the amateur. I'd say in the 10-20 out of 100 range. Now, taking that into consideration even if this guy knows fully how timing, air/fuel mixture on carbs, vacuum lines, egr systems, air pumps, etc works, he's still adding another variable of computer control and fuel injection into the mix. (and thats a big variable!)

The engine swap he is talking about is very complex. Its not just bolting things up and turning the key like yours was, its a complex wiring/harness nightmare. It would be possible for an experienced mechanic /engine hobbiest but not for someone who is in the 20-50 range in knowledge. I mean, if he wants to keep it fuel injected.

Yes, they make aftermarket harnesses and you could possibly just pull the computer/harnesses/sensors from the donor car but still this is 10x more complex then a carbed chevy to chevy (or a ford to ford in this case) engine swap.

My point is that even after your one easy swap, I don't think you can accurately comment on the difficulty of the task....thanks for not taking this the wrong way :)
 

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I guess since I m such an idiot for askin Ill just get the 302 and put a new intake and carb on it, thanks for all the "help" :uh:
 

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Originally posted by clownin72+Aug 7 2005, 09:49 PM~3557944-->
Im pulling the 351 out of my 76  ltd and have an fuel injected 302 and tranny out of a 89 lincoln towncar, is there anyway to get the fuel injection to work in the ltd
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I guess since I m such an idiot for askin Ill just get the 302 and put a new intake and carb on it, thanks for all the "help" :uh:

I'm sorry, I thought I answered your question.

Unless you were looking for a detailed wiring schematic, voltage levels to input to your PCM, exact vaccum line diagrams and jumper wire locations? :dunno:

If not, then the answer is "Yes there's a way, but its quite difficult if you don't know how. If you really want it in there, take it to an experienced mechanic/engine specialist" :)
 

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Originally posted by Joe5pt0@Aug 8 2005, 08:25 PM~3564016
Dan, I don't want to think I'm being a dick when you read this so take that into consideration before you reply.

You are admitting that you knew about 1-5 on a scale of 1 to 100 before your engine swap. Well, you swapped a carbureted small block chevy for a carbureted small block chevy. Not be a dick, but it’s the easiest engine swap on this planet.

You can hardly say that your knowledge increased to the 50-60 range out of 100 after that swap. I mean, you posted a question "explain timing" because you didn't understand 18436572 and how the distributor/rotor works and I'm not convinced you've mastered that in entirety. You probably know a lot more now, but you are still quite the amateur. I'd say in the 10-20 out of 100 range. Now, taking that into consideration even if this guy knows fully how timing, air/fuel mixture on carbs, vacuum lines, egr systems, air pumps, etc works, he's still adding another variable of computer control and fuel injection into the mix. (and thats a big variable!)

The engine swap he is talking about is very complex. Its not just bolting things up and turning the key like yours was, its a complex wiring/harness nightmare. It would be possible for an experienced mechanic /engine hobbiest but not for someone who is in the 20-50 range in knowledge.  I mean, if he wants to keep it fuel injected.

Yes, they make aftermarket harnesses and you could possibly just pull the computer/harnesses/sensors from the donor car but still this is 10x more complex then a carbed chevy to chevy (or a ford to ford in this case) engine swap.

My point is that even after your one easy swap, I don't think you can accurately comment on the difficulty of the task....thanks for not taking this the wrong way :)


I get you but I'm just someone that thinks that if you want to do something then what is to stop you?

I'm sure that if he wanted to do it bad enough then he could. Honestly my next project is going to be FI and I'm sure it is hard but I'm also sure that I will get it eventually.

I may not know much, but I know alot more than I knew before....And I just build on that.
His carb to FI dream is probally alot harder than mine but I'm sure he can get it done if he does his homework.

I think you of all people should understand this Mr. Do it yourselfer... :biggrin:

I'm not sure when you started working on rides but you had to start somewhere. The only difference is that you probally had someone to teach you.

I'm just saying that before I bought the grand prix from you last year I never even drove a carbed engine....but I swapped one this month. I think that is a big ass jump.
He can do it...it might take some time and he will probally get stuck and discouraged a few times...but if he really wants to do it he will find a way to get it done.

oh, and I didn't take it the wrong way man, I just disagree with you. :cool:
 

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Originally posted by Joe5pt0@Aug 8 2005, 09:25 PM~3564016
Dan, I don't want to think I'm being a dick when you read this so take that into consideration before you reply.

You are admitting that you knew about 1-5 on a scale of 1 to 100 before your engine swap. Well, you swapped a carbureted small block chevy for a carbureted small block chevy. Not be a dick, but it’s the easiest engine swap on this planet.

You can hardly say that your knowledge increased to the 50-60 range out of 100 after that swap. I mean, you posted a question "explain timing" because you didn't understand 18436572 and how the distributor/rotor works and I'm not convinced you've mastered that in entirety. You probably know a lot more now, but you are still quite the amateur. I'd say in the 10-20 out of 100 range. Now, taking that into consideration even if this guy knows fully how timing, air/fuel mixture on carbs, vacuum lines, egr systems, air pumps, etc works, he's still adding another variable of computer control and fuel injection into the mix. (and thats a big variable!)

The engine swap he is talking about is very complex. Its not just bolting things up and turning the key like yours was, its a complex wiring/harness nightmare. It would be possible for an experienced mechanic /engine hobbiest but not for someone who is in the 20-50 range in knowledge.  I mean, if he wants to keep it fuel injected.

Yes, they make aftermarket harnesses and you could possibly just pull the computer/harnesses/sensors from the donor car but still this is 10x more complex then a carbed chevy to chevy (or a ford to ford in this case) engine swap.

My point is that even after your one easy swap, I don't think you can accurately comment on the difficulty of the task....thanks for not taking this the wrong way :)

well I wish this would have been there to read before I posted back :biggrin: I figured it was gonna be a bitch to do and more than I could tackle but wanted to know if any ford people might know any tricks or helpful hints
 

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Originally posted by clownin72@Aug 8 2005, 08:51 PM~3564236
well I wish this would have been there to read before I posted back  :biggrin: I figured it was gonna be a bitch to do and more than I could tackle but wanted to know if any ford people might know any tricks or helpful hints


if you really want to do it man do it..It will be pretty hard..nothing that will be done in a few days..but in my own opinion I think it can be done as long as your a quick learner and good with your hands.
I heard that the wire harnesses that they sell make it ALOT easier. Just do your homework and don't let anyone discourage you from what you want to do.
 

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I would like to do it but also I am too impatient for that shit I think too many wires I wouldnt know what to do with , If I knew where to get the harness would help too
 

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Originally posted by concrete@Aug 8 2005, 09:46 PM~3564197
I think you of all people should understand this Mr. Do it yourselfer... :biggrin:

I'm not sure when you started working on rides but you had to start somewhere. The only difference is that you probally had someone to teach you.

oh, and I didn't take it the wrong way man, I just disagree with you. :cool:
Thanks for not taking what i was saying the wrong way :cool:

You got me on the do it yourselfer part, but I have good reason to put that title. To answer your thought about when I started.....


I'm 26 now but I got my first car when I was 14. It was a 79 Pontiac Trans am. Actually, it was just a firebird that I turned into a transam by swapping engines, fenders, hood etc. It had a pontiac 301 that me and my cousin tried hard to figure out how to get running but had no luck. It had spark, had fuel but wouldn't fire. I know know it was timing related probalby jsut the timing chain. Anyway, I ended up pulling the engine out and buying a $50 olds 403. I took it apart and seen some broke shit. It was a broken rocker arm bridge and 2 bent pushrods. I learned what these did from reading HotRod magazine. I started reading that when I was about 13ish...gear head in training lol. I then learned what a timing chain was and ened up changing one on my cousin's jeep. An AMC 304...at 15. I then learned how distributors worked and how timing worked. So, I put a new one on my 403 but I didn't line the dots up right and it wouldn't start. Boy I learned the hard way as I had to take it apart twice till i got it right! I even thought that i might have had the crank in the wrong position because someone told me the dots had to line up top and top, not bottom and top (i found out later it doesn't really matter since there's 2 turns of the crank to one of the cam). But, i did learn....

Anyway by the time i was 15 I had the 403 in the car and running. No, I didn't get anyone to "teach" me but my cousin did help physically. We were both learning as we went. I then learned brakes, bodywork etc. Oh I did help my uncle sand his car at about 13 or so but nothing on my own.

So, I got the trans am on the road by 16. By this time, I already accomplished this engine swap, taken apart a 305, helped put together a 350, swapped a fuel injected quad 4 motor in my stepdads car, helped put a 429 in my stepdads truck and swapped a tranny in my mom's grand prix. Damn I did alot by 16 lol.

Then, I blew the 403 and got a free olds 260 from my boy's cutlass. Oh, I did belts, brakes, tranny swap, tuneups etc for him and his mom. Then, bought a car with a 350 olds. Swapped it over, then it fucked up (damn $50 motors) and finally got fed up and built a 454 450HP engine. I got it in and running after highschool graduation. By this time, i did tons of work in autoshop, helped my uncle and stepdad alot etc....I probably changed 8 or 9 engines by the time I was 18.

Then in college I worked at jiffy lube and then Parts America (changed to advance auto) I used to do sidework from the customers that came in. I made alot of money on the side! Brakes, tuneups, little shit here and there. I learned alot from working on so many different cars. There was this whole click of guys that all heard about me at Purdue because all thier buddies went to me. Before I knew it i was buying cars, fixing them and selling them for $1000s profit, and doing work on all there cars...it was crazy but I learned more and more and more. Then there was my wife's friends from work, etc...I used to get people from Advance who would buy parts then ask how to install? I'd be like "shit, i can do it...$50 bux" it added up quick. Thats part of how I put myself through college.

Now at 26, I"ve probably done 20 or 30 engine swaps and worked on hundreds of cars. I learned alot at jiffy lube about newer cars (believe it or not) and a lot at Advance Auto about fuel injection, sensors and whatnot. There has been tons of things that i've done that i never did before.....but I just jumped in and figured it out and thats why i put "do it yourselfer" in my title...because even though i hadn't done it before, i'd be willing to jump into ANYTHING. Even with all my experience, i still have TONS to learn.....you can never know everything and its amazing when I get to talking with another knowledgable car buffs (like this guy ben at work). He's into Nissans, turbos etc and knows things I dont know and I know things about domestics he don't. We sit and school each other all the time, its crazy I still literally learn or teach something new every day since i work as an engineer at an automotive supplier.

Anyway, thanks for reading and now you know why I post so much in M&R :cool:
 

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it would still be difficult but it would make your life a whole lot easier if you were the one pulling the 302 out of the car its now in, then you could mark and make diagrahms showing where and how every little thing went. and if you pull the motor make sure you get every bit of the computer bullshit with it. it will make your life a ton easier than just getting a long block with none of the electronics
 

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yeah I will be the one pulling the motor and I am gettin the whole car and parting it out afterwords
 
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