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<span style=\'font-family:impact\'>What's up fellas' and fellettes'? I am a newbie to this forum! I'm going to post this thread in the Air Suspension Forum to try to speed responses up so please don't bash me for it. Thanks!

I seriously would appreciate some good sound help and advice with what I have in mind.

I have been modin' vehicles for the past 14 years yet I am very weak when it comes to suspension mods and especially weak when it comes to bags and hydrolics.

I currently have a tricked out 1999 5.9L V8 Dodge Durango 4x4 with 23" KMCs...
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What I want to do is lower my Durango using either Bags or Hydrolics in the least labor intensive way...

Here is what I'd like my Durango to look like...
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I don't necessarily want to tuck the tires because of the work involved in cutting fender wells, etc, but I'll do it if it's not that bad. I've searched this site and have also spoke with the only person I could find with a hydro'ed Durango. I want to get some other opinions before I go forward.

I also have spoke with MIC. Right now I'm under the impression that you can buy both bag kits and hydrolic kits that with work with a 2 wheel drive Durango (Am I wrong?). I also am under the impression that there are mounting brackets for bags out there somewhere that will work with a 4x4 Durango.

What I'm honestly hoping to get from this post is someone that will tell me to buy this first, this second, do this, do that, or just buy this kit and do this, etc. etc.

Definitely check out my Durango on CarDomain so you can get a better idea of what I'm working with. There are 15 pages... check every one out. <a href=\'http://members.cardomain.com/tcalyen\' target=\'_blank\'>My CarDomain Site</a>

Props in advance to whomever can help! I'll hook you up if you can give me some serious coaching ASAP!</span>
 

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So what are your plans for this vehicle? Are you just trying to LAY or is it gonna become a CIRCUS VEHICLE? They're totally different and there's a LOT in between.
 

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Originally posted by bigdanmcintosh@Aug 27 2003, 03:43 PM
damn he uses big font..
I know. Ya think he thinks we're all blind ass old-timers up here? Had to hook up two monitors to view it all. :)
 

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Originally posted by BOUNCIN89MERC2LOW97LHS@Aug 27 2003, 02:49 PM
So what are your plans for this vehicle? Are you just trying to LAY or is it gonna become a CIRCUS VEHICLE? They're totally different and there's a LOT in between.
Thanks for the reply...

-I want to be able to ride at whatever height I choose. I know that if I want to turn when the Durango is slammed then I'll have to do some serious cutting up front. I'll probably fabricate the fenders in a way that will allow turning down to a certain height...
-I do want to be able to operate each wheel independently...
-I do want speed...
-I do want to three wheel if possible...
-I'll come up with a trick way to mount my switches without using a control box... Probably overhead...

Knowing all of this what would you suggest?
 

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Wow Thats a tall order..... but okay

first off.... bags will definately be alot more work since you have a 4x4... Hydros would be the way to go for less labor....The beauty is that you can keep the front 4x4 axles cause the cylinders will be able to mount on the lower front control arm and still leave room for the axles to turn.... all you have to do is pull the torsions and install cylinders in a coil over fashion with welded brackets and definately add some accumulators... For the rear... there are a number of companies that make lowering kits for your truck, so you can add a flip kit which brings the rear down, or just pull out some leaf springs from the pack to do a ghetto drop... add a bridge underneath from frame rail to frame rail and mount cylinders on the axle also with coilovers, either with powerballs or pivot ends, run your hoses, mount your pumps and batteries and damn your truck will look hot......

There is another Darango on here with hydros and its 4x4... he also has pics on cardomain, its black and he has good photos showing how to do the suspension set up, :biggrin: His truck is tight also.... but you have better rims :biggrin: LOL


his name on here is Diggadan, try a search or try this link to a post with his pics


http://www.layitlow.com/forums/index.php?a...fbb315f37c34469


Holla



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what's up !! digger here..

this weekend I will take some pics of the way I got my hydro's set up.. I will show you how I got it done

use nothing larger than 8's in the front...yes I used to have tens but they was too long and I was running my upper control arm too hard into my bumpstop and something could've broke .. use 8 inch cylinders and 3/4 ton coils ( mini)....best thing to do is go and buy yourself a pair of 8 inch cylinders and the springs and then you will see exactly what size hole you need to cut through that upper mounting bracket that the stock shock is now mounted to..





THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE





where the shock mounts in the front.. cut out a hole large enough for a hydraulic shock to go through...bought 2 inches diameter

get some hyme joints to mount the cylinder to the lower control arm.....cut the extra thread off of the hyme joint and screw it into the bottom of the cylinder...then just use the stock bolt and bolt it on..

now..where the stock shock mounts to the lower control arm...that is where you gonna mount the hyme joint at..

you need to put a few washers between the hyme joint and the control arm because otherwise your cylinder will be too close to the 4x4 driveshaft thingy and will scrape it.. I use three washers..

now you are done with the front...

the back



THIS IS HOW IT ( CAN BE DONE EASILY) THE REAR OF THE DURANGO






i WILL TAKE SOME PICS THIS WEEKEND TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY HOW AND WHERE i DECIDED TO MOUNT THE HYDRAULICS ON THE REAR...i MOUNTED MINE AFTER THE AXLE ( CLOSER TO THE REAR BUMPER )


I will show the mods that I did to my leaf springs that allow me to do three wheels too..



I read the posts goin up in the airbag forum concerning your ride...listen man..if you can get a professional to bag your ride and stake his reputation to it..I think that would be the way to go..
in the long rum hydro's are gonna cost you an arm and a leg and could possibly ruin your ride with oil spills and blown batteries and all that..see hydro's got lots of pressure goin on and you have to reinforce everything because otherwise you will bend your frame up..with hydro's you gonna have to have a big bank of at least four batteries and the pumps and hoses and all that gonna take up lots of room..and your ride is gonna smell like oil..and believe me ifit does'nt matter how well the hydro's are put in...EVENTUALLY YOU GONNA BLOW A HOSE OR FITTING AND IF YOUR HYDRO'S ARE MOUNTED IN THE INTERIOR OF THE VEHICLE..THEN YOU..YOUR FRIENDS ..ALL YOUR UPHOLSTERY AND HEADLINER...GONNA GET SPRAYED WITH OIL !!! and it stains and does not come out..

I am in no way trying to diss or hate on the hydro option..just wanna let you know that hydro's are gonna be a big part of you daily life if you go with that option...I have to charge my batteries on a daily basis and I cannot stop hittin the switches..cause it is addictive as hell and loads of fun !!








what about that guy that had his durango in truckin magazine..phil rush...that guy bagged his ride and you could get some real good how to's from him I bet..

but definitely call those dudes up that be sayin they bagged a 4x4
you could send your ride over there..and in couple weeks..you could be rollin !!



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What's up Digga!? Man do I really want to get this done. I posted on this site like you say just to get as much info as possible. Hook me up with as much info/coaching as possible. You've already helped me a lot... the more the better.
 

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Originally posted by TCalYen@Aug 28 2003, 09:53 PM
What's up Digga!? Man do I really want to get this done. I posted on this site like you say just to get as much info as possible. Hook me up with as much info/coaching as possible. You've already helped me a lot... the more the better.
cool..I will !!

but I got TO rest up a bit..man.. writing that last post felt like writing a book !! lol
 

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Originally posted by diggadan+Aug 28 2003, 11:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (diggadan @ Aug 28 2003, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--TCalYen@Aug 28 2003, 09:53 PM
What's up Digga!?  Man do I really want to get this done.  I posted on this site like you say just to get as much info as possible.  Hook me up with as much info/coaching as possible.  You've already helped me a lot... the more the better.
cool..I will !!

but I got TO rest up a bit..man.. writing that last post felt like writing a book !! lol[/b][/quote]
Hey homie I like your durango especially when it does that threewheel :biggrin:
 

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Digga,

I've known Phil Rush for about 3 years. I'm meeting him in Vegas in Nov. for the SEMA show. As far as I know (pretty sure) he did not bag his Durango. He was running a 3 inch drop up front and in the rear. I know because he offered to sell the drop kit to me when he sold the Durango in Truckin' Mag.

Yo, I'm looking forward to your pictures and more instructions. You've got me a little scared about the oil and everything but I haven't decided yet. I know bags and hydros are doable with a 4x4. I just have to get a real good idea of exactly what needs to be purchased for both bags and hydros, how much the parts cost, the work involved to install, the upkeeping, etc. and then I will decide.

Hope to hear from you soon Digga!
 

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I would just like to add an important not to the front suspension instructions DiggaDan left and he should take not also...


The stock mounts need to be reinforced for the cylinders.... The lower stock mount will eventually start to break off with all the pressure from the weight of the vehicle... It will last a good while, but at the miniumum you should reweld the factory welds as this small area holds all the weight... Most cut that off and put in a stronger one with some plate reinforcment to beef it up... Also the upper shock tower hole that you have to enlarge also needs to be reinforced... I suggust at the minimum getting a bracket and welding it in to the side frame rail to help beef up this area also as the mini coil will be pressing against this area holding up the vehicle... it too will start to rip away after a while.... Just cutting holes and using the stock mounts will probably last you a couple of summers, but after thay you will start to see the wear and tear on your ride.... those mounts are designed for shock absorbers to dampen the suspension jounce..... not the weight of the vehicle resing on it with hydraulic cylinders pushing away up and down daily... not to mention 3-wheels....

If ya dont do this.... one day i will be seeing a cool post of pics of ya trucks with lots of damage due to the cylinders breaking through ya stock mounts and possibly ya was driving at 80 on the highway when the ride dives to the left and runs off the road....

That acutally would not be cool, but the pics of the wreck will have the ooohsss and ahhhs factor in em.... get what I sayin!!!!

Having said that.....Bags R 4 Fags....LOL

The smell of oil, burnt motors and battery acid is a natural aphrodisiac to da chicks homie....!!!!!! & U Know This, Man!!!!!!!(smokey..LOL) :biggrin:
 

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Originally posted by SLAMNFX@Aug 29 2003, 09:48 AM
I would just like to add an important not to the front suspension instructions DiggaDan left and he should take not also...


The stock mounts need to be reinforced for the cylinders.... The lower stock mount will eventually start to break off with all the pressure from the weight of the vehicle... It will last a good while, but at the miniumum you should reweld the factory welds as this small area holds all the weight... Most cut that off and put in a stronger one with some plate reinforcment to beef it up... Also the upper shock tower hole that you have to enlarge also needs to be reinforced... I suggust at the minimum getting a bracket and welding it in to the side frame rail to help beef up this area also as the mini coil will be pressing against this area holding up the vehicle... it too will start to rip away after a while.... Just cutting holes and using the stock mounts will probably last you a couple of summers, but after thay you will start to see the wear and tear on your ride.... those mounts are designed for shock absorbers to dampen the suspension jounce..... not the weight of the vehicle resing on it with hydraulic cylinders pushing away up and down daily... not to mention 3-wheels....

If ya dont do this.... one day i will be seeing a cool post of pics of ya trucks with lots of damage due to the cylinders breaking through ya stock mounts and possibly ya was driving at 80 on the highway when the ride dives to the left and runs off the road....

That acutally would not be cool, but the pics of the wreck will have the ooohsss and ahhhs factor in em.... get what I sayin!!!!

Having said that.....Bags R 4 Fags....LOL

The smell of oil, burnt motors and battery acid is a natural aphrodisiac to da chicks homie....!!!!!! & U Know This, Man!!!!!!!(smokey..LOL) :biggrin:
oh and by the way..did I forget to mention that you gotta reinforce !! lol

definitely have all stress points reinforced..
 

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Digga, if the detailed pictures and further instructions are to much trouble your more than welcome to come on down to Newark, DE and see where your Durango was born... LOL

Look forward to hearing from you...
 

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I JUICED MY 92' honda accord...hydraulics..8 fosgate subs..
lot of fun n that ride !!




..bought it in 92' for 14,000 dollars




the first hydraulic car in my town ..

this is a scanned photo..quality lame because i scribbled on it one day with a ball point pen..and messed it up...also..this is picture of the honda before I had it painted black and before I put the triple gold dayton's on it.. just have to take my word for it cause this only pic I got.. I sold it to friend of mine





DURANGO FIRST DAY I BOUGHT IT...FIVE YEARS AGO...








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