My brother in law says he has some Real D's for sale I told him i did not believe they were D's. They would be the pre stamped dayton logo d's. I thought that back in the day real d's were stamped on the back of the hub with 225. is there any way to determine player's vs daytons. other than the new stamped d's which everyone knows are d's. i am thinking about buying them but i would like to know what i am getting into. thanks.