Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 16 2009, 08:13 PM~13299246
I have a Tacoma rear end & Wishbone under my Impala & when i 3 wheel, the back of my car sways to the side from all the wieght & the spring perch on the frame rubs the back side of the tire because the Tacoma Rear end is shorter & the wheels set further in. I blew my tire once in mid three wheel once. Now i'm a little hesitant to 3 wheel. Is there any way to keep this from happening again. Maybe add a sway bar to the Tacoma rear end?

Any advice??

hmm that is odd...ive never seen that one happen before...is the wishbone axle mount in the center of the pumpkin or off to the right of the pumpkin looking from behind.....what about the bushings in ur trailing arms..new or used..cuz i know the bushings in g body when new the axle wouldnt kick out as far and i woudlnt have issues with the frame rubbing ontop of the drum...but that could also be becuz my springs are softer than before so they squat a lil lower...

 

Originally posted by KINGFISH_CUSTOMS@Mar 16 2009, 07:24 PM~13299396
hmm that is odd...ive never seen that one happen before...is the wishbone axle mount in the center of the pumpkin or off to the right of the pumpkin looking from behind.....what about the bushings in ur trailing arms..new or used..cuz i know the bushings in g body when new the axle wouldnt kick out as far and i woudlnt have issues with the frame rubbing ontop of the drum...but that could also be becuz my springs are softer than before so they squat a lil lower...

It's a Black Magic rearend & wishbone. the wishbone bracket sits in the center of the pumpkin. & MY Trailing arm bushings are fairly new, I installed them not even 2 years ago.

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 16 2009, 08:27 PM~13299437
It's a Black Magic rearend & wishbone. the wishbone bracket sits in the center of the pumpkin. & MY Trailing arm bushings are fairly new, I installed them not even 2 years ago.

you got me lol...

 

Originally posted by KINGFISH_CUSTOMS@Mar 16 2009, 07:29 PM~13299454
you got me lol...

Oh hell, Don't tell me you've been stumped on a tech question. LOL!!

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 16 2009, 09:13 PM~13299246
I have a Tacoma rear end & Wishbone under my Impala & when i 3 wheel, the back of my car sways to the side from all the wieght & the spring perch on the frame rubs the back side of the tire because the Tacoma Rear end is shorter & the wheels set further in. I blew my tire once in mid three wheel once. Now i'm a little hesitant to 3 wheel. Is there any way to keep this from happening again. Maybe add a sway bar to the Tacoma rear end?

Any advice??

spacers?? you got 14's or 13's?

 

Originally posted by God's Son2@Mar 16 2009, 07:42 PM~13299608
spacers?? you got 14's or 13's?

14's I thought about using spacers

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 16 2009, 09:43 PM~13299622
14's I thought about using spacers

might work, i think you can get longer studs too if you need them, but you need thirsty's :biggrin:

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 16 2009, 08:31 PM~13299486
Oh hell, Don't tell me you've been stumped on a tech question. LOL!!

hey i know when to gracefully bow out when something is above me lol....rather someone with more experience take over on that one...never dealt with a tacoma rear axle..i know on the factory impala axle the mount ontop of the axle is off to the right of the pumpkin becuz the pumpkin isnt in the center

 

Originally posted by KINGFISH_CUSTOMS@Mar 16 2009, 07:56 PM~13299777
hey i know when to gracefully bow out when something is above me lol....rather someone with more experience take over on that one...never dealt with a tacoma rear axle..i know on the factory impala axle the mount ontop of the axle is off to the right of the pumpkin becuz the pumpkin isnt in the center

I tried contacting Black Magic on here as well as calling them For some advice, but no response. So i figured i'd just make a topic about it.

 

try 13s

 

how many turns on ur coils are u running

 

Originally posted by EMPIRE CUSTOMS@Mar 16 2009, 08:56 PM~13300463
how many turns on ur coils are u running

41/2 turns

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 17 2009, 04:17 AM~13302650
41/2 turns

hm,,... I personally havent had that problem with any of the Tacoma conversions we have done, do u have deep or shallow reverse cups?

either way, u may need to go to a shallow if u have a deep, u will lose 2 inches of dropped height, but it may be enough to keep the tire off your spring perch


how about some pics of the rear suspension, and it up on a 3 wheel, so I can see it better

 

Originally posted by EMPIRE CUSTOMS@Mar 17 2009, 02:27 PM~13306830
hm,,... I personally havent had that problem with any of the Tacoma conversions we have done, do u have deep or shallow reverse cups?

either way, u may need to go to a shallow if u have a deep, u will lose 2 inches of dropped height, but it may be enough to keep the tire off your spring perch
how about some pics of the rear suspension, and it up on a 3 wheel, so I can see it better

See how the perch hits the back of the tire during 3 wheel

 

hmmm,... looks like you got the shorter rearend, but lemme get Ricky Bobby to weigh in on this one....

see, theres a few different variations on the toyota rear axles that BM uses for these conversions.

you have the 94-98 Tacoma axle, the 89-93 Axle (which is just a lil narrower), and the 4x4 axle which is even that much narrower. its tuff sometimes, because you never know which direction a customer is gonna go with his car, to sell them the correct rearend, and availibility of the axles plays a big part in it also.

for example, typical generic application for an impala with a Toyota axle would be 94-98 tacoma, but if you wanted to run skirts on china wheels, then 89-93 axle would be best, and when you cant get any 89-93 2wd axles from the salvage yard, then they would opt for the 4x4 axle, which would be no problem at all, unless you yank a monster 3 wheel, then you risk the chance of the tire rubbing the spring perch, which is what I think is happening here.

give Rick a few minutes, see what he has to say......

 

Originally posted by EMPIRE CUSTOMS@Mar 17 2009, 06:32 PM~13309013
hmmm,... looks like you got the shorter rearend, but lemme get Ricky Bobby to weigh in on this one....

see, theres a few different variations on the toyota rear axles that BM uses for these conversions.

you have the 94-98 Tacoma axle, the 89-93 Axle (which is just a lil narrower), and the 4x4 axle which is even that much narrower. its tuff sometimes, because you never know which direction a customer is gonna go with his car, to sell them the correct rearend, and availibility of the axles plays a big part in it also.

for example, typical generic application for an impala with a Toyota axle would be 94-98 tacoma, but if you wanted to run skirts on china wheels, then 89-93 axle would be best, and when you cant get any 89-93 2wd axles from the salvage yard, then they would opt for the 4x4 axle, which would be no problem at all, unless you yank a monster 3 wheel, then you risk the chance of the tire rubbing the spring perch, which is what I think is happening here.

give Rick a few minutes, see what he has to say......

I was told by Jess at black Magis that it was out of a 95 Tacoma.

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN@Mar 17 2009, 06:36 PM~13309044
I was told by Jess at black Magis that it was out of a 95 Tacoma.

do me a favor,.. take a straight on picture, of the axle, a close up of the area like backing plate to lower trailing arm mount. on either side, i just need to see how close the axle tabs are to the backing plates

 

Originally posted by EMPIRE CUSTOMS@Mar 17 2009, 06:41 PM~13309111
do me a favor,.. take a straight on picture, of the axle, a close up of the area like backing plate to lower trailing arm mount. on either side, i just need to see how close the axle tabs are to the backing plates

 

This is a earlier 80's Axle Which is shorter then the rest, Wheel spacer's will fix the problem and stop the rubbing.

Depending on how far you have to space them, you may need longer studs to have a safe amount of threads for the lugnuts to hold.

 

Originally posted by Unlimited Hustle@Mar 17 2009, 07:09 PM~13309402
This is a earlier 80's Axle Which is shorter then the rest, Wheel spacer's will fix the problem and stop the rubbing. 

Depending on how far you have to space them, you may need longer studs to have a safe amount of threads for the lugnuts to hold.

That's kinda what i was thinking, but i wanted to be sure.
Thanx

 

Originally posted by Unlimited Hustle@Mar 17 2009, 07:09 PM~13309402
This is a earlier 80's Axle Which is shorter then the rest, Wheel spacer's will fix the problem and stop the rubbing. 

Depending on how far you have to space them, you may need longer studs to have a safe amount of threads for the lugnuts to hold.

thats what I was thinkin Rick,... as soon as I seen how close them tabs were to the backin plates, I was like, YUP ..lol.

good call now get that BBQ going!! Im on my way!!



John,.. hope that helped you out homie

 

Originally posted by IMPALA JOHN+Mar 17 2009, 08:36 PM~13309044-->

I was told by Jess at black Magis that it was out of a 95 Tacoma.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Unlimited Hustle@Mar 17 2009, 09:09 PM~13309402
This is a earlier 80's Axle Which is shorter then the rest, Wheel spacer's will fix the problem and stop the rubbing. 

Depending on how far you have to space them, you may need longer studs to have a safe amount of threads for the lugnuts to hold.

thats what i told him. its good to know the difference between the years, i might put one in mine

 

*** Note ***

There is no difference in Strength with this axle. Only shorter. Adding the Wheel spacers will not effect anything.

Double check the lugnuts after installing the spacers.

 

Originally posted by EMPIRE CUSTOMS@Mar 17 2009, 06:32 PM~13309013
hmmm,... looks like you got the shorter rearend, but lemme get Ricky Bobby to weigh in on this one....

see, theres a few different variations on the toyota rear axles that BM uses for these conversions.

you have the 94-98 Tacoma axle, the 89-93 Axle (which is just a lil narrower), and the 4x4 axle which is even that much narrower. its tuff sometimes, because you never know which direction a customer is gonna go with his car, to sell them the correct rearend, and availibility of the axles plays a big part in it also.

for example, typical generic application for an impala with a Toyota axle would be 94-98 tacoma, but if you wanted to run skirts on china wheels, then 89-93 axle would be best, and when you cant get any 89-93 2wd axles from the salvage yard, then they would opt for the 4x4 axle, which would be no problem at all, unless you yank a monster 3 wheel, then you risk the chance of the tire rubbing the spring perch, which is what I think is happening here.

give Rick a few minutes, see what he has to say......

so the 89-93 2wd axle is best for skirts and chinas,but no monster 3 wheelin??
what about a ford 9in with skirts and chinas do you still have to shortin a 9in or is it good to go?a ford 9in are out of earliey 60s to earliey 70s full size fords and merc's like trucks no fairlane or galixe's are 9in? great topic

 

Originally posted by 4pumpcoupe@Mar 18 2009, 05:58 AM~13313417
so the 89-93 2wd axle is best for skirts and chinas,but no monster 3 wheelin??
what about a ford 9in with skirts and chinas do you still have to shortin a 9in or is it good to go?a ford 9in are out of earliey 60s to earliey 70s full size fords and merc's like trucks no fairlane or galixe's are 9in? great topic

Ford 9"s are even worse, they been doing those rearends for so long, there are tons of different size variations. whether it be a 9" from a mustang, or a 9" from a van,... wheeew the goes on! you have to be careful with the 9' tho, because an 8.8 looks exactly the same, but i dont think there would be any difference using either, but dont pay 9" price, for a 8.8 ...lol